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But the other one, so that's how it looks like. And I can, I always worked actually at Orange in our start-up accelerator. So for six years I did that. So helping entrepreneurs for their commercial, to have a commercial acceleration. So we put the start-ups in contact with the Orange, but also with other corporates. Now with High Her, I come back to that and I will help women entrepreneurs to find funding, but it's always about entrepreneurship. Well, I think that's a very nice team. And you told me earlier, I heard you talk a bit about it on Wednesday. And I know Marie also has it, like you both have a very nice, let's say, family environment that allowed you to explore your entrepreneurship, let's say spirit, because you've done a lot there.
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But can you share a bit more as well, to what extent has your family, like both your parents, but also your partner helped you in, let's say, unlocking this? Because are you and your partner doing the same things in this sense or not at all? Yeah, not at all. It's funny because we are very complementary on that side. But my partner is like really my support in everything. And he really supports my choices, because I'm sure that choices are made for something and I never regret my choices. But he's also there to support because sometimes, yeah, I have to work more and he's always very supportive about that. But it also helps that we are complementary because he's working in a company, he took over a business in a wine company.
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So it's SME that do the logistics for wine. But I am more like needing every time new challenges outside what I do and discover new things. And he's really good at managing what is going on in the company. But when I ask, like, where do you see you in five years? It's OK if it's the same. For me, I really, I cannot say where I will be in five years, but I know that it will be different than today, even next year. I mean, it's also like we have... Yeah, it sounds recognizable. I'm always making fun of Cedric that his longest relationship is with his career, because I never have been that long with one opportunity or at least like with the client or like employed for that long.
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But it was more that I was standing more and like for some another step. And when I didn't get it where I am, then I was looking for it in other parts or in other companies. So it's mainly. But Cedric, he's like, yeah, like for me, it's the clear path. You will find me there. And it's funny because I say that. But my partner, he changed job like for like since I know him, he changed three times. And I was at the same company all the time we met. So I say that. But then I'm more like it's funny because that I always knew I need new projects. So I'm at Orange since nine years, but doing many, many different projects and launching new projects.
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It's also maybe because you are employee in the Orange and they know that you are ambitious and that you need this like thinking forward thing so that they give you the different projects and to satisfy your ambition. So it's really nice that they keep you because you have the entrepreneur spirit. So yeah, that's true that I see myself as an entrepreneur in residence or intrapreneur. I really try to find challenges and create projects to help overcome those challenges. And sometimes it's me that's in a company in like corporates in the corporate world. It's something missing. And yeah, I try to bring this this value to the corporate world. No. And I think in the corporate world, we usually I mean, at least with us, we always look first at the bottom line or the top line and like social impact.
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Not that much. But that's I think what I saw on Wednesday, that was really cool at the Digital Tech Centre or the Fab Lab. Could you maybe tell us a bit more about the Fab Lab, what's going on there and how the ESGs are tying into that? Because I know that with Innovatology, we're also trying to play a role there on the digital side of ESGs, right, Marie? Yes. ESGs, Fab Lab, I'm a bit, can we maybe explain more about these abbreviations? The Fab Lab is the name of the ESGs. So you have the ESG, which is all about environment, social and governance in companies. It's like the previous CSR. So during years, we talked about corporate social responsibilities. And today in corporate, we talk more about ESG.
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And now it's a framework that all corporates has to have to follow with many, many reporting. And now you have to prove what you do, but also why there are some things that you are not doing. So, yeah, companies really need and I think it's a good thing. They really need to think more about all about environment and social aspects. And on that part, when it was about CSR also, you can see that you could do philanthropy and give money to projects, which is great. What I wanted to change with the Orange Digital Centre is to create really links between Orange and projects with societal impact. And that's how we created the Orange Digital Centre, which is a place where we train young people, young unemployed people to technology.
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We want to attract them to technology and show them that technology is not only for geek, not only for engineers. Everybody is able to work into technology, but sometimes you think like, oh, no, I'm not intelligent enough to work in tech. But actually, tech is for everyone. If you are curious and if you want to learn, tech is for everyone. So that's why that's what we want to do with the Orange Digital Centre. And so we have, as you said, Cédric, the Fab Lab. And the Fab Lab, actually, it's something that was created with a course in MIT, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. And it was a class called How to Do Almost Everything. And actually, with the combination of five different machines, you are able to create the machine itself.
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So you have a 3D printer, CNC, laser cutter, vinyl cutter, and the last one. And then we also have a digital embroidery. We have a plastic injection machine. So we have different types of machines. And it's a great way to attract people. For example, we can have ateliers saying, come to create your own jewellery. And then you come and actually you learn how to design things on a computer, put the file on a USB key, put the USB key on the machine, and then you learn tech skills, but really in a pedagogical and gamified way. Nice. I got triggered at the beginning because you said that you set up the project in Orange, where you have presented the environmental values, because this is something that it's really needed, that actually the different companies that are presented in nowadays world, that they incorporate the new values because the world is changing.
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So when you have some companies which are on the market already for longer, and we have currently the 21st century, the globalization, there needs to be the drive of companies to actually incorporate the new values. And I really like that you have put the environmental on the top. I actually heard something similar. I had this week a meeting on Wednesday with one girl who is really into visualization. So she's the leader of the mental fitness in London. And she's really doing visualization, which is really important for the life of the people, because you are taking care of your physical health, you go to the gym, you see how your muscles are growing, etc. But there is a lot of problem that not a lot of people are taking care of the mental health.
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And what she did is, okay, the visualization actually saved my life. She was sick when she was younger, etc. She's doing the mentorship. However, she started to pitch her idea to the different companies, like Nike, and she said, hey, guys, you are taking care of the physical fitness, you give people the hope that they will have bigger muscles. But most of the sportsmen, they are actually burning out, because they do a lot from the physical fitness. And you should actually do something for the mental fitness as well. And she started to be really in, like, a really close collaboration now with Nike, where she's changing the mindset and the drive of the Nike industry currently. And I really like that when there is somebody, especially, like, really driven women who can, like, incorporate these kind of aspects to the companies that are on the market for longer, and bring the new value, the new refreshment into the business.
00:15:19
I find it really impressive. And actually, even correlating with one more discussion that I had this week, because it's similar, just a different topic. So how did you do it? Like, you just came to the leadership, or the leadership was asking about, yeah, we should maybe do something with environmental, because it's currently trading, everybody's speaking about the Green Deal, etc. How actually it started? So the Orange Digital Centre is more about the social part than the environmental part. For the environmental part, it's not easy for a tech company, because we want to be a net carbon neutral, net neutral carbon by 2040. And it's not easy, because everybody is consuming more and more data. So our data centres are actually consuming more and more. And then we really need to find a way to be stable.
00:16:26
And that's a big challenge for the tech companies. Yes. And so that's one part for the environmental part. For the social part, which I'm more responsible of. Actually, the project Orange Digital Centre was a project launched first in Tunisia, where the unemployment rate of young people was really high. And they decided to create a coding school with the Fab Lab to train those people. And so I went in Senegal, I saw this project, and I thought, okay, it's a great project to do also in Belgium, because at first we can think that in Belgium, it's okay, everybody knows technology, but it's not the case. And there was a study coming out from King Baudouin Foundation last week. And still, so it was 46%. But now it dropped down to 40%.
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But it's still enormous. 40% of the Belgian population is not comfortable with digital skills and are vulnerable with the digitalization. That's really a lot. That's a lot. And you see everybody on his smartphone, so you think that everybody can use technology. But in our centre, I could see that when I say to people, you can come here and put your name on the Excel sheet. They are like, what? An Excel sheet? And they don't know how to write their name with a computer. They have a TikTok on the smartphone. But it's not the same to send an email, to use an Excel, to do things on the web. Because it's not entertainment. Sorry? It's not entertainment. It's like... Yeah, no, indeed. But smartphone is one thing, but then a computer is another thing.
00:18:37
And so yes, there is really a need in all Belgium about it. But that's a really big number. I read also about it, let's say a couple of months ago, when chatGPT is booming, that younger generations are really using a lot, but older generations, not that much yet. And there is a discrepancy, but from a general digital skill perspective, 40%, that's four out of 10. That is still uncomfortable. And I don't know if that was also there, but was there a difference in urban areas versus city? Urban is non-city, right? Or urban is city? Urban is city. Urban is city. Rural versus urban areas? Or was there a difference? Or is it similar there across Belgium? That's a good question. I should read it more, but...
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It's usually that it's higher in urban than the rural, of course. Actually, I wrote my master's thesis on digital inclusion. And also then I also studied with the European Institution. But it actually started my digitalization career, or the interest started, because I was the English teacher in London for the Afghan refugees. And for me, it was really interesting, because they were not literate. So usually they couldn't write, they couldn't... For example, they were not literate from Afghanistan. Afghanistan is in the bottom of the literacy. And then when they arrived in London, I had really a struggle with, for example, teaching them English because they couldn't read. And also if they could write, they write from right to left. So for example, dog for them meant gut. So it was really interesting.
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But then when I look at them, all of them, they had the newest iPhone and they knew how to navigate the iPhone. And I was like, so you cannot write, you cannot read, but when you have your iPhone, you can actually call your husband, you can actually go on Instagram, you can use the WhatsApp to write your family about, for example, how are you, what is going on in Afghanistan. And I got puzzled. I was like, how people can actually use the internet for their integration in a new country while having the condition like Afghanistan. And it's actually where I started to be interested in digitalization, how we can actually increase it and how we can make better inclusion and integration of this diaspora.
00:21:21
And then it started also with European Union, because for me, Afghanistan was not... I had lots of interviews with people about it. It was really successful study, etc. But it's not really something culturally really close to me. I never have been in Afghanistan. I don't have Afghan roots, etc. So I was more than focusing on the European Union. And now, especially on Czech Republic, because I am from the Czech Republic, and we are even more behind you guys. We are even more behind than Belgium. We are really below the average of the EU. And it's really bad in Czechia. It's like people now in Czechia start to know what Slack means. For me, this is like, wow. Yeah, but it depends also. I know, but it's also because I'm in the sector.
00:22:20
But it's an really good and it's a great tool because we can be connected when you are traveling. So for people coming in your country to take contact and keep contact with the family, like there are many, many added value. But then there are also downsides. For example, all the banks are closing their guichet. And it's very complicated for people that are not really at ease with technology to do things that are like really needed. And so we and all company wants to do cuts. So they digitalize a lot. But then we forget that a big part of the population is really in danger and in vulnerability because they are not able to use those tools.
00:23:28
I think it goes also hand in hand with, because like, for example, I'm thinking now when you mentioned the bank, I am just imagining my grandma because my grandma, like she's sitting at home with grandfather and when she should go to bank for, for example, her retirement for her, it's occasion. Like she really like takes her like best shirt and she's going to bank. It's really an event. And if you like close the bank for her, it's like you took a really like one social event, which is really important because on her way to bank, she meets Anna and she meets Marie and she's having so many like social interactions that usually she doesn't like, for example, have the trigger for it because she can tell to Anna and to Marie that she's going to bank for her retirement.
00:24:14
Right. So it's also like it goes hand in hand with the generation, the society that you cannot just like make everything digital because it's then posing the risks and the challenges in the different, because like for us, we have, we are the generation of digital, but for example, our seniors, our grandparents, they didn't really grow up with it. So it's then posing a lot of stress for them. And it can be really, really challenging for like also well-being of the life. Yeah. And even now, like for young generation, like Cédric, Marie and I, we are in technology and we work with it. So we know about AI tools, gen AI and we generate AI, like artificial intelligence just for the auditors.
00:25:11
But, like, I have friends of my age that they don't, they never use it and they, so I think that we really need all to try those tools and to use it on a daily basis because it goes so fast and it's amazing to see. I have a sister of 10 years less than I and she's using other conversation, like, she doesn't use WhatsApp, never, you know, yeah, and she's just 10 years younger, so it's using messenger or message, but, or they are on a signal, but they don't want to be on WhatsApp. They all have this kind of thinking, but it's, yeah, and they also have other codes of conduct. So in many companies, people are like, oh, the young generation, it's not like us.
00:26:15
We cannot trust them and things like that, but I believe we really need to find, like, to understand the other generations, but it's complex because generations are becoming smaller and smaller beforehand, like generation X, it's maybe 30 years of the generation. And then now, our generation, like we are in, no, yeah, Z, and we just, like, from Z to millennials, it's like 10 years, you know, and now it's becoming smaller and smaller and you change generation very, very rapidly and it changed all the way we work. And also, companies have to adapt themselves to that because, yeah, it changed a lot. It's true. I actually never thought about that, but it needs, like, the gap between, like, the type of generations that we call is indeed reducing because I think right now, the kids that are getting born now are not Gen Z anymore, but they're, like, Gen Alpha.
00:27:23
No, so they are the millennials afterwards and now it will be a new, like, completely new generation. Indeed. About your Fab Lab and Digital Tech Centre, what are the kind of, let's say, things that you do there to help people cover for that digital skills gap that we were just talking about? Yeah, so we have partner who do, yeah, do coaching, accompany people that are digitally excluded. We call that like that, but they don't have the skills, the basic digital skills. So we work with We Tech Care, who is doing, who has a great platform, one, two, three platform, you can find many, many tools to help you to do online payments, to use It's Me, to do your tax declaration, like, it's really, really well done.
00:28:30
And they come also in our centre to do some trainings for people that has no basic digital skills. So, yeah, we propose that. And we also propose trainings to become digital help for other people. Because I, like, I work at Orange, so all my neighbourhoods, they call me when they have a problem with their smartphone or things like that. But actually, and my grandmother also, but sometimes you are, you want to do by yourself because it's easy for you and it's quicker. But you have also to learn how to have the good attitude with people that are fighting with digital and to let them do and to just say, OK, what would, because they are just afraid to do a mistake. So you have to say, OK, what would you do?
00:29:33
Show me. Yeah, it's the right way. And then continue like this. And it's a kind of attitude that you need to have to help those people. And I believe that, like, we need to have all those kind of training and be able to exchange between generations and to help your old neighbour or your grandmother or mother or father with those tools. I have a question. How do you know that somebody is excluded from the digital world or is digitally excluded in Belgium? Yeah, it's basic things that if you are allowed to do an online payment, then there's different questions that you can ask to people to to actually know where they are. The main reason why I'm asking is because when I worked at the embassy of the Czech Republic in London, usually people were ashamed that they don't know something.
00:30:37
And usually when they were illiterate, like they couldn't read and write, they usually told me that they forgot glasses. I didn't know. I wasn't really believing them at the beginning. But then when I heard it like five times per day, I was like, why everybody's forgetting glasses every day, you know? And then it happened the next day. It can happen. And then they were always like, oh, can you please help me with actually filling it out? Because I forgot my glasses. And then I was like, they are quite smart, you know. And so I also have it now at work that usually people don't want to admit that they, for example, don't know something. This I don't mean that they are like digitally, digitally illiterate or something.
00:31:20
It's they use Excel, they use the WhatsApp, et cetera. But they, for example, don't have more advanced skills because I work in IT. So and then they usually, for example, like try to get out from the system or they don't really tell you for the support, like, can you please help me? Because it puts them on some kind of position that they don't want to admit it to other people. So is there maybe some or do you think that there might be some preconceived, preconceived ideas? Yeah, no, that's true that some people, yeah, no, they don't. Yeah, it's a good point. And it's not always easy to know what they would need. But now there is more and more, there are more and more centres to accompany those people.
00:32:12
And yeah, to check how to. I'm thinking about some, you know, questionnaire to put it among the citizens. Like, how would you rate your skills with Excel? How would you make a payment? But then you are sending. People would lie on that, no, because like I would be very if I would be and I don't know how I would react, like I would lie on that kind of questionnaire. I know everything. I wouldn't say I would know everything, but I would say like, I'm an 8 everywhere. I'm 8 everywhere. And the complexity also with those people is that you cannot communicate online. Everything that you do, you. And that's why also the municipality and the CPAS, OMCW, are doing great things because they are really in touch with the people and in front line and they do great things to to help those people with that.
00:33:15
But you can also measure like people doing their tax declaration online or offline. You can measure if they receive they have an email address or not. It's things like that that can also tell you the degree of the person. Digitalization of the population. Has Belgium, I have Belgium, because is there like digital strategy of Belgium? Actually, like the government, because usually the different member states of the EU. I look at his face, but usually member states, countries in the EU, they have digital strategies of how they want to proceed in the next year to actually increase the digitalization. And there is actually a correlation that the more digital governance you have, the more happy citizens you have as well, because then they can act in the crisis like COVID-19.
00:34:13
So in COVID-19, the government, the home office, yes, the government's like, for example, Ireland had a really good digital strategy in place before COVID. And therefore, people were less demonstrating. People were more happy during COVID because they knew what they should do with laptop, et cetera. But I'm not. Does Belgium, I mean, there is actually it was from the state secretary for that beforehand. It was. Yeah. So they have created the Belgium Digital Skills Fund. So they give money to help also employees to get training, to be accurate with the new strategies, because it's also something that we have to take into consideration that many people, they will not be good in their work anymore if they don't train themselves with the new tools and the new IT tools.
00:35:17
So there are some funds for that. There is also a digital, which is an association of many corporates in Belgium. It was led by BNP Paribas and Proximus, and they did the digital charter. And many companies signed this charter saying that they will take care of like how they will digitalize things and always think to people that are not digitalized. So that's important. But then we'll see with the new government how the which priority and strategy they will put in place. I think that will definitely be interesting in any case, like in this digital age, if you're standing still, you're actually moving backwards. So it's always good, I think, indeed, to keep moving forward. But I'm going to take this moment a bit as well to pivot from the digital to, let's say, your new initiative, Juliette, like the High Her.
00:36:24
Can you explain a bit more to Marie what it is all about? Because maybe it can help her as well. Yeah, with pleasure. So High Her, it all started with the number is that two percent of the investment from investment funds goes to women. So 98 percent to men, two percent to women. So it's really alarming. It's less than two percent, actually. It's one point eight. So it's really alarming. And there are many causes, but two are very important. On the one hand, there is investment funds that are mainly led by white men and they have a conscious or unconscious bias when they see a project by a woman. And on the other hand, there are women that don't dare to ask for money that has also limited beliefs.
00:37:35
And they think that they want to stay small because they don't dare to really develop their business or. Yeah, so there are many things like that. Also, some women like in technology, maybe in numbers, they say, it's not for me. And I let my accountant doing everything. So the High Her initiative is only 10 weeks. We have a money academy. So we have a training. So money academies, 10 weeks trainings to learn what is my relationship with money. Why don't I dare to ask money? Maybe I have like in my education things that I don't dare to do. And then there is also a part, a more hard skills part where you do your financial plan, your business plan, how to talk with investors.
00:38:35
Also, investors, they know that they can do divide by two what you say, actually. But some the women, they don't exaggerate. So if they divide by two, what you say, then there is nothing left. Yeah, you only need one offer. And we also need to say to investment fund, OK, when you have a woman in front of you, you have to do multiply by two, you know, because it's things like that that are disadvantage with the project led by women. So it's all about these trainings, but also about consultancy in diversity and inclusion for investment fund and also conference there to to talk about money. So last week I did a conference about how to negotiate your salary and your your invoices, your tariff. And it was really interesting.
00:39:34
We were like 40 women and one man. And it was about how to dare to ask. And because you can see when you ask in an audience who ask for an augmentation and normally people who ask, they get it. But it's mainly men that dare to ask and it's how to really, yeah, put this mindset that we can't talk about money. And sometimes in our society, women don't talk about money. And we have to change that. I think Marie talks a lot enough about money. Yeah, I was like at the beginning I was thinking like maybe we should also start some program for the couples, because in our couple, it's actually me telling him all the time we need to monetize. Come on, like let's do this. Like let's ask for money.
00:40:23
Let's create projects which are monetizing, etc. But it might be that we already like created this dynamic. And also like I'm running the business also for some time. I have a question on High Her and it's because you said that there is a 10 weeks money academy. Is it run by you or there are like experts, financial experts? So the idea is to work with experts, indeed. So there are investment funds coming, business angels, but also like more leadership coach to help you to there. So many people that come to give those trainings. Yeah, I have a friend who just wanted to do also the financial plan for women entrepreneurs. Like she's running her own business in Brussels. She's focusing on climate security and gender. She's doing consultancy in these three aspects.
00:41:23
And all of the people who, let's say, are founders or entrepreneurs, they are doing their finances. But usually it's really easy. It's easier to give it to your accountant, like do it for me. And I'm not really interested in the details. Just tell me how much can I spend. I don't know what about you, but my accountant is always saying, you know, just try to not ruin your company. And I mean, if I would not be interested in numbers and having a strong woman in my family, which is my mom and my mom teaching me all of these rules of life, I would just be following his kind of advice. However, this is really dangerous. And I also feel that women, they it's similar.
00:42:08
I don't want to generalize in this aspect, but it's similar also with the digital skills. I mean, if you don't feel comfortable with something or don't want to invest in learning about it, it's always easier to give the responsibility to somebody else who is your accountant. However, it's your money and you are the one responsible for your funds. Exactly. And it's really alarming that indeed, I also see that, for example, me and my friend who is doing the gender security and gender security and the climate, we are more interested in our own money than the accountant is. And therefore, we are like, yeah, we should do something about it. But I'm not the investor or I don't have the education in the finances. And therefore, I'm not going really this direction.
00:42:58
However, she wanted to launch the finance, the finance program where she wanted to exactly explain the women, hey, you need to do your financial plan. And she wanted to explain it to them as a like, but she doesn't have the exact education. And I was also thinking, why should I buy it, you know, from her, from you? Because you don't really are focusing on the finances. I would rather buy the program, which is run by the experts in the field who would tell me even more advanced skills that I would know what the investors think, what the VCs think, what the angels are about. And actually, I heard what is the definition of the VC for the first time this year. And I'm almost 29. And I was like, yes, I didn't know.
00:43:50
I mean, there was some really error in the education that I went through that I really didn't hear from anybody. What is the VC? And it's just like, what? Yeah, it's interesting what you share, but also what your mother taught you. And, you know, you are who you are because of that. But and there are many people and women who in their family, women don't talk about money and you should maybe stay at home. And there are still those kind of thoughts in many cultures and many families. And that's how it's important to identify that. And you have the chance to have to identify that your mother gave you this power of money. And yeah, maybe it's a question of culture, of parents or grandparents also.
00:44:52
And yeah, it's very interesting to see because sometimes you don't want to talk about money because every money is not everything and everything is not money, but money help you to. And it's an energy and it helps you to do a lot. So you don't have to be afraid of talking. It's very important. I see what you're thinking. Yeah, like I'm just thinking like the bias is like because I'm not in your situation, but I'm thinking like, what can I do to, let's say, with respect to the biases that I may have to open them up and to give, let's say, the opportunity to you and to women in general, so that you would speak up more about these things while at the same time still having a voice for myself.
00:45:56
But that's the only thing that. No, you seem to have a good voice about that because Marie can talk about that and she can work and it's normal. I feel like that. But in some families, it's not normal. And you could say, I think today it's OK and. People see it like it's weird when it's the men staying at home or taking care of the kids and it should be the woman. But for me, it's just it's totally OK. You just have to find a good balance. And then we don't I don't care if it's the men of the women and I don't have any judgment about that, but I feel it's a change of mentality. And sometimes I can also see that when I am with the men, people always think that it's my boss.
00:46:58
You see, it's things like it's and I'm like, I'm the boss now, but you can see that it's still like in some it's maybe it's unconscious. But and we are going quite in the good direction. But yeah, I mean, here is a funny thing for me. Like, I think 80 percent of my career so far, I've reported under a female boss. So here I love to report to females. So it's easier to work with. That's good that you are saying that, I always reported to men, but now it will change. But I was also wondering that because like, you know, when we went to the different conferences and you were actually also, let's say, complaining about it, like if we would go and have like an interview with a person, if it would be a boy or a man, they would be happy to engage with us.
00:47:55
But for a girl or a woman, they were much more at this unease to have a conversation with us at the conference. So I was just wondering, what can I, we do to give that boost in confidence, even if we wouldn't know the situation that that person might be having so that they feel free to start opening up about their ambitions? Because, I mean, you have ambitions and you're very open about it. But how can we unlock that with others? Because it's like 50 percent of the population that we're missing the ambition of. Just to put the context, like statistically, like from our interviews, we have more men than women. But it doesn't mean that we are not interested in women empowerment. Actually, I super support it.
00:48:41
I am a woman myself and I always target when we are going somewhere, I target women to hear the women's voice. However, when I approach women as a woman, they tell me, oh, I am not I don't really think so for this interview. Or can I prepare for it? Can we meet in two hours? They don't they don't follow up with me after. Or I'm really shy, you know, like I don't really like it. Whereas when I approach a man, man is like, yeah, sure. Like, why not? Where is the microphone? And I was really like puzzled by it. Like, what can I do? Because I really need to massage women. I need to establish a personal contact with them. I need to really like invest more time to get into them to them.
00:49:25
Trust me that we are going to record a nice interview about the digital. I mean, we have really here a big problem with the digital that most of the things which are research are on men. And we are going to load all of these data in the artificial intelligence, which will do decisions and it will do decisions on the male aspects. And in the future, it might also do the decisions in the medical, in the hospitals. And if we will not rise the voice of the women, we will really have a problem because we can do really wrong decisions in the world that will lead to the decrease, to the suspension of the women. However, when I approach them, they don't really want to speak with me because they are not really used to stand by their voice, for example.
00:50:16
That's a good point. That's why we really need to have 50% of women in technology. It's because of what you mentioned, to nourish the artificial intelligence and to have those data also. And to think about women when we create all those technological tools. That's a really good point because to have 50% of women funded by investment funds is not the same. We don't want to reach that number to be gender equality 100%. But for technology, it can be a big bias afterwards if we don't reach these numbers. It's also about the application for open position. Many times people told me, I had 50 men and 4 women. I think that in a job position, you always have the people that don't exist, that can do everything very good. And men, they don't care.
00:51:38
They say, I have already 3 things that I can do, I apply. But women, they are more like, oh my god, I cannot do that, so I will not apply. And that's a problem. I think that in job position now, we just have to put what is really compulsory. And then the rest, you will see in the interview, or you put, it's a plus, it's a plus. So you are sure that the women will dare to apply. And maybe for your podcast, I think that if you say, okay, I just want to listen to your story because your story is very interesting. People are, normally women are okay to share about their personal experience. And if you don't say, okay, you will have to explain us how you developed these tools or what do you think about technology.
00:52:29
You see, maybe if you ask about talking about entrepreneurial project or the personal experience, it's something that they would be less shy about it. I have a last question from myself. I would have more questions, but the time is running. The last question from me is regarding the women empowerment about the High Her. Because I believe in women empowerment. I think that we definitely need to do something. However, I don't believe that we should separate women and men. Because I'm invited in a lot of women empowerment sessions where we are just facing women, where we are speaking about women, where we are speaking with women. However, then I believe that you will meet the men. I mean, there is gender parity on the world.
00:53:30
When you have a women empowerment only with women and you are like, yeah, I'm going to kick it off tomorrow in the world, but you are meeting men there. So how do you cope with this? Or like, do you have like a similar belief in this aspect that like, yes, we need to empower, but there is, we are going to meet men. That's a really good point. And we don't want to create a ghetto where women only work with women. And so that's really true. I can see that when you have a room with women, there are really lots of exchanges. And sometimes where there are men in the room, they dare less to speak about themselves and their personal struggles and things like that. So that's a good thing to have women classes.
00:54:28
Because we have also in our Orange Digital Centre some trainings around artificial intelligence, web development and cyber security. And there are not a lot of women. But when we do a specific class only for women, they come and there is another energy. So I think we need to pass by that in order to reach these and to struggle those unconscious bias and maybe to dare to do things. But the idea is really not to create ghettos and the experts that come that can be men. And men also, the idea is that men doing business that are interesting for women or help women in our world can also join our program. All right. I think there was a lot of passion in that conversation.
00:55:30
I just wanted to tackle into the first point of, let's say, the topic of our podcast, the noble purpose. Having all this passion, Juliette, for your two projects that you're leading at this moment in time. Does that mean that you've already found your noble purpose or you're on the way of finding it still? No, I'm on my way. I know that I do the Ikigai. So it's the combination of what you do well, what you are paying for, what you bring to the world and what you like to do. And I know that what is very important for me is connecting people. And I like to connect and help people. So it's something around that. But I'm still on my way to define it more concretely.
00:56:32
Good luck on that journey, finding more about your noble purpose. I think you have two really great initiatives going on that will definitely help and support you in there. Towards our audience, definitely follow Juliette further on her journey as well. And I think we would be looking forward probably to connect as well face to face in the future with Marie. My pleasure. I think that would be cool. Thank you so much, Juliette. And see you again in the near future. Thank you. It was a great pleasure for me. Thank you for the invitation. Talk to you soon. Bye. Bye.
